GOVERNMENT ADMITS TO WHAT THE GUN REGISTRY HAS COST AND WILL COST = $978,260,000

By Garry Breitkreuz, MP – April 24, 2002

 

TOTAL SPENT AS OF NOVEMBER 21, 2001             = $ 689,760,000

ESTIMATED EXPENDITURES FOR 2002-03             = $ 113,500,000

ESTIMATED EXPENDITURES FOR 2003-04             = $   95,000,000

ESTIMATED EXPENDITURES FOR 2004-05             = $   80,000,000

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                                                                  GRAND TOTAL                   =    $ 978,260,000

 

NOTE #1:  BEWARE OF DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ESTIMATES

On April 24, 1995, the Justice Minister appeared before the Standing Committee on Justice and tabled his now infamous “Financial Framework for Bill C-68”.  This document promised the public and Parliament that the Canadian Firearms Program would run a deficit of only $2.2 million over the first five years.  The actual deficit over the first five years was $321,761,005 (Verified in Dept. of Justice documents obtained through the Access to Information Act – DoJ ATIP File: A-2001-0092 dated July 18, 2001).

 

1.  TOTAL SPENT AS OF NOVEMBER 21, 2001 = $689,760,000

 

On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance met to examine the expenditures set out in the Supplementary Estimates (A) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2002.

 

WITNESSES: From the Treasury Board of Canada:

 

Testimony of Richard J. Neville, Deputy Comptroller General, Comptrollership Branch, Treasury Board of Canada: For previous years - if you care to jot this down - before the beginning of this fiscal year, it was $541,262,000. In the Main Estimates - that is, the Main Estimates for this year, 2001-02 - there was a planned additional $34,611,000. The amount in these Supplementary Estimates, as I have already explained, is $113,886,000. The total at this point is $689,760,000. I trust, Mr. Chairman, that answers the senator's request.

 

Senator Terry Stratton of Manitoba: The concern I have is that this is $689 million, which is virtually $600 million more than the minister promised it would be. How can someone be that incredibly wrong?

 

After Mr. Neville couldn't answer, Senator Stratton asked again: How can it be that wrong from the original? Where will this end? Do you have any forecast? I am sure you do not.

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2.  ESTIMATED EXPENDITURES FOR 2002-03 = $113,500,000

 

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, the government answered Garry Breitkreuz's Order Paper Question Q-131: Mr. Paul Harold Macklin (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): (a) The Canadian Firearms Centre’s, CFC, proposed budget allocation for fiscal year 2002-03 is $113.5 million. [Hansard Page 10773]

 

3.  ESTIMATED EXPENDITURES FOR 2003-04 = $ 95,000,000

 

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, the government answered Garry Breitkreuz's Order Paper Question Q-131: Mr. Paul Harold Macklin (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.):  ii. For 2003-04 the net costs are projected to be $59.8 million (this consists of projected gross expenditures of $95.0 million minus $35.2 million in revenue)  [Hansard Page 10773]

 

NOTE: BEWARE OF DEPT. OF JUSTICE REVENUE FORECASTS

(a) On April 24, 1995, Justice Minister Allan Rock promised Parliament that the system would function at “almost break-even.”  In a letter to the Toronto Star on July 19, 1999, Justice Minister Anne McLellan promised “user fees would cover the entire cost of the program.” 

(b) This “revenue” is simply tax levied against law-abiding responsible gun owners.  These “user fees” don’t reduce the cost of the gun registry, they just drive more and more people away from legitimate hunting and shooting sports and drive more and more licenced firearms dealers and outfitters out of business.  Only in the warped mind of a Liberal could anyone consider killing tourism, businesses and employment as a net benefit.

(c) Justice Department documents estimate the regulatory cost of purchasing a hunting rifle is $279.00.  RCMP documents show the number of Firearms Business Permits issued annually had dropped from 16,420 in 1979 to 4,820 in 1998.  Canadian Wildlife Services documents show the number of Migratory Bird Permits issued annually dropped from 524,946 in 1978 to 191,444 last year.

 

4.  ESTIMATED EXPENDITURES FOR 2004-05 = $ 80,000,000

 

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, the government answered Garry Breitkreuz's Order Paper Question Q-131: Mr. Paul Harold Macklin (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.):  iii. For 2004-05 the net costs are projected to be $44.8 million (this consists of projected gross expenditures of $80.0 million minus $35.2 in revenue). [Hansard Page 10773]

 

5.  EXPENDITURES FOR 2005-12 = “expected…to decrease”

 

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, the government answered Garry Breitkreuz's Order Paper Question Q-131: Mr. Paul Harold Macklin (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.):  Funding has not yet been finalized for fiscal years 2005-06 through 2011-12, but is expected to continue to decrease. [Hansard Page 10773]

 

 


37th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION

EDITED HANSARD • NUMBER 175

 

Wednesday, April 24, 2002

 

Questions on the Order Paper

Question No. 131--

M. Garry Breitkreuz:

    With regard to the Canadian Firearms Program: (a) what is the proposed budget allocation for fiscal year 2002-03; (b) what are the line-item cost projections for fiscal year 2002-03; (c) what are the cost projections by department and agency for 2002-03; (d) what is the total cost of the program since its inception in 1995; and (e) what is the projected annual cost for each of the next 10 years?

Mr. Paul Harold Macklin (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.):

    (a) The Canadian Firearms Centre’s, CFC, proposed budget allocation for fiscal year 2002-03 is $113.5 million.

    (b) The CFC line item cost projections for 2002-03 are as follows:

    Vote 1--Operating Expenditures:$97.3 million

    Vote 5--Contributions:$10.4 million

    Statutory--Employee Benefits:$5.8 million

    (c) The cost projections by department and agency that will receive funding through the Canadian Firearms Centre in 2002-03 are as follows:

    Department of Justice--CFC:$109.5 million

    Solicitor General--RCMP:$3.0 million

    Canada Customs and Revenue Agency:$1.0 million

    (d) The total cost of the program since inception in 1995 is:

    From 1995-96 to 2000-01 the net cost of the program incurred by the Department of Justice--CFC is $484.1 million. This consists of $551.5 million in gross expenditures minus $23.1 million in C-17 expenditures minus $44.3 million in net revenue.

    As of March 31, 2002, period 12, the net cost of the program incurred by the Department of Justice--CFC for fiscal year 2001-02 is $88.6 million. This consists of $102.9 million in gross expenditures minus $14.3 million in revenue.

    (e) The projected annual costs for the next 10 years are as follows:

    i. For 2002-03 the net costs are projected to be $101.2 million (this consists of projected gross expenditures of $113.5 million minus $12.3 million in revenue);

    ii. For 2003-04 the net costs are projected to be $59.8 million (this consists of projected gross expenditures of $95.0 million minus $35.2 million in revenue);

    iii. For 2004-05 the net costs are projected to be $44.8 million (this consists of projected gross expenditures of $80.0 million minus $35.2 in revenue);

    iv. Funding has not yet been finalized for fiscal years 2005-06 through 2011-12, but is expected to continue to decrease.

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